Is Demand Studios A Scam, A Rip-Off, or Is It Legit?
76Introduction to Demand Studios
Demand Studios is a website that certainly seems to cause a lot of argument and disagreement among some in the writing community. Some people argue that it's one of the best websites online for making income as a freelance writer, while others argue that Demand Studios is a scam. A lot depends on perspective. There are a couple really snobbish freelancers with blogs who blast DS and everyone who works for them, arguing that everyone should "work on increasing their value," ignoring the fact that there are only so many jobs that pay $1 a word and virtually all of those go to a select few writers. Demand Studios is definitely not a scam. They pay their writers in a very timely fashion (twice a week), and I've made several thousand from them in one month. Most articles are either $7.50 or $15 an article, and even beginners getting used to DS can often write a $15 article in 30-45 minutes to write while the $7.50 can take as little as 15 minutes and no more than 20. For many people that is way above what they make working a minimum wage job or struggling with unemployment. People can argue over whether this site is right for them, but the "Demand Studios is a scam" just isn't at all correct.
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So Is Demand Studios a Rip-Off Then?
Each person on their own can decide whether or not Demand Studios is a rip off, although in my personal opinion they are not. How can any place where you can make $22.50-$30+ an hour be a rip-off? That's far more than many freelance writers make, especially online writers. In addition, since there is always work there, writers don't have to spend hours working on sending out queries that never get a response. But I suppose this could depend on your experience, what connections (if any) you have in the rapidly dwindling print industry, and where you live. In Iowa if you're single you can live very comfortably at $18,000 a year. In New York City, not a chance. The pay amounts might look low at first, but you always have work available from home, and once you understand the style guides and figure out which types of articles do best for you, you'll be able to produce a very good hourly rate.
Some people would still argue that DS is a rip off, but short of learning to become a professional copywriter and knocking out sales pages that convert above 5%, I'm not sure what other type of online writing directly pays freelancers this well.
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What Makes Demand Studios Legit?
Demand Studios does have their flaws. For one, right now it's a US writers only club. In addition, many of the people angry at DS have horror stories about the incompetence of the editors. While the far majority of the editors I've deal with have been fine, the "problems with editors" excuse is valid. I've had to deal with contradicting information from one to another, a few snarky jerks who expect way too much for $7.50 or $15, and in one case, a rather incompetent editor who wasn't following the style guidelines that DS demands. In the end, it will only be a matter of time until you get some frustration with an editor, but that shouldn't deter you from pursuing DS as at least a part time writing option.
The reason there is no Demand Studios scam, at least in the opinion of this freelance writer, is that they pay their writers (and more than minimum wage), they provide solid work, and I haven't seen any signs of blatant attempts to run writers off or not pay them (as I've experienced at Helium and heard from many others as well). Because of all this, whether you like them or not, DS is legit.
What to Do with Rejected Articles
Recently on my freelance writing blog I wrote a popular article on what to do with rejected articles from Demand Studios. Getting an article outright rejected, or having an article sent back for a completely unreasonable rewrite, is by far and away the most frustrating part of writing for this company. My combined abandoned rewrite or rejected articles ranges from 7 to 14%, depending on the month. A key to succeeding with Demand Studios, and as a freelance writer in general, is to make sure you get paid for your work and get the most from your time. If an article rewrite is rejected, or if you get a rewrite request that is completely unreasonable, take that text and use it to start a HubPage. When they don't pay for the text because they don't accept the article, the copyright remains yours. Because of this, all you need to do is change the title they provide and then use your text to build a HubPage, throw on some eBay or Amazon modules (or both) where appropriate, and by doing so you can build your passive income while still concentrating on a freelance writing career. This helps you get the best out of both worlds, and the full blog post on turning Demand Studios rejections into passive income cash can be found there.
Okay, So What's Your Take?
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Am I Helpful, an Idiot, or a Scammer?
Someone sent me an e-mail a couple weeks ago based on this page, which got cut off or something because it didn't make a lot of sense. But several condescending insults came in full force before the cut-off, so I think this is a fair question for all of you: Am I being helpful, am I an idiot, or am I a scammer?
So I'll suggest right off the bat that I'm not a scammer since I'm not gaining anything by recommending Demand Studios (there is no affiliate program), and I don't work for that company, and would probably turn down any job they offered me. I like my independence way too much. But the main argument and source of condescending seems to be from my comment that $20 an hour was a good start for freelance writers, a good income, and an excellent start for online writers. One question in particular to quote the e-mail: "Do you really think $20 an hour is a good rate for writers? Do you think any writer who is earning that is really going to stay writing for so little?" Other comments indicated I was an idiot and a scammer for thinking so.
So what's my final answer? YES!! I think $20 an hour would be an excellent start (and give credit where it's do, the person at least skimmed this page to get that number) for freelance writers. First of all, 90% of freelance writers can't make an income above the poverty line. $20 an hour at 50 weeks a year for a 40 hour work week is $40,000. That's more than 45.4% of individuals make in the United States according to the 2007 numbers. There's another 3% right around that 40k mark.
And that's the really low number because I didn't say I averaged $20 an hour. I average $22.50 an hour to $30 an hour. We'll go on the low side and call it $25 an hour to be safe, and that even assumes the same number of $22.50 hours as $30 hours (also a low estimate). That's $50,000 a year, and well over the 50% mark, which was at $44,000 a year as of 2007. It's also a ton more than the tens of millions of people who are unemployed. And I work 52 hours a week, and more than 40 hours a week. I also use Demand Studios rejections as passive income.
So is $20 an hour a good start? In my mind, absolutely. And even if that was all I could make, I will take $20 an hour freelance writing before I go to the most common jobs around here: All at $10 an hour or less. If you don't want to work for "so little," then don't. And I'm not saying everyone can write as much as I can, and I have a lot to apologize for in life (the zebra incident, the flaming pineapples, that duck tape thing) but I don't think $20 an hour as a good start is one of them.
Just to make it clear: I have no issue with people disagreeing with me. Everyone has different experiences. For example: I have no idea why anyone would defend Helium.com, but plenty of people do. But when leaving a comment, insulting other commenters is NEVER allowed, and insulting me:
- Doesn't hurt my feelings at all
- Doesn't piss me off at all (I have better things to do)
- Doesn't say much for your intelligence
I'll publish comments that disagree with me, but keep it civil and respectful, and don't write anything that can get me sued for libel. Other than that, it's pretty open game. Feel free to vote on the poll!
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Thank you for a very open and down-to-earth hub.
Thanks for sharing information about Demand - I intend to wander there in the near future.
Thanks Jerry G2 I needed that information right now!!....:)
Great article and I did a quick research on Demand Studios. I didn't find anything to support a scam.
Hi all. Wow, I'm very impressed with how many comments I received on this quick review, and I strongly encourage everyone to visit my blog for a very long and extensive Demand Studios review. It's under the links section under "Complete Demand Studios Review."
I definitely think for many online writers, this is one of the best opportunities for those of you who want/need a second income, or for writers looking to make some freelance income right now as they build up long term residual income. I agree, Nancy, there's no argument for Demand Studios being a scam. They pay their writers in a very timely and efficient manner.
Thank you for the timely info. My DS application was rejected. Now with Textbroker, not making as much, but otherwise happy as they always have work. Might try them again after getting more TB experience. Also writing at Ehow, which I like
It's better than McDonalds. And that's the ONLY good thing I can say about the company.
DS is better than McDonald's and Wendy's ;)
I think it takes practice to get used to not only their house style, but also the overall atmosphere. I avoid the forums for many reasons, the main one being it just wastes time, and also there are too many negative posts that can be discouraging. Just think about the money; money is nice...And if you get a rejection or impossible rewrite request, put the article on Hubpages!
When I feel DS burnout, I switch to doing some Textbroker stuff. The atmosphere at Textbroker seems much more relaxing, and I think it's because they don't have a writer forum. Also, the work is easy and the clients are very undemanding. That was an unintentional pun.
I should probably shut up and get back to work.
Thanks for the comments. Yeah, I just started checking out Text Broker and while its nothing I'd want to spend a ton of time on, it is usually extremely easy to use as a side income thing. The per hour works out when you can knock out 5 articles at level 4 per hour. And although I haven't worked at McDonald's or Wendy's, I have worked in housekeeping, ditch digging, and in gas stations - and DS definitely beats all of those hands down. Perhaps the greatest childhood blessing a freelance writer can have is lousy jobs growing up. LOL.
I have written for Demand Studios for more than a year and have published over 1000 articles through them. They are absolutely *not* a scam - in any sense of the word.
They have stringent guidelines that must be met in order to qualify to write for them. A lot of people don't even make it through the door, and then they call it a "scam". Some people make it, and then realize the guidelines are too difficult for them to follow, then they call it a "scam".
DS isn't a scam. It's a legit writing opportunity for people who can keep up with the demand of titles and constantly produce high quality content. When poor quality content is released, it's often caught and dealt with. Before, on Ehow, anybody could post anything they wanted -- and many used this user submitted articles as some kind of proof of DS not being high quality. Now DS has made it to where nobody can post on Ehow unless you pass their guidelines and are an approved writer for DS.
It's a great change, and eventually people will see more of them. -- Keep in mind DS writes in partnership with Livestrong, USA Today and other venues, so that on its own should show it's not a scam.
I will be starting this shortly and monitoring. I have read a lot of moans from writers, so basically, this blog and my blogs will receive copies of feedback from editors if the feedback is an attempt to delay payment, ask for more than necessary, or simply editor incompetence. I shall be posting any feedback from articles sent here initially. I have a hub on freelance writing where i regularly comment on scams and rogue traders, and if demand studios are ripping anyone off, it will be published with their comments rather than just that of an angry writer which can be mutally exclusive i.e. was the writer sending sub-standard work? I shall see, and report on it.
Hey guys,
Thanks for the continued comments. At this point I've published well over 600 articles at Demand Studios and my personal opinion is that they are not a rip-off, they are definitely not a scam, and most of the time they are fairly reasonable, although there are several editors who are incompetent, ridiculous, ignorant of their own standards, or outright jerks. But I have found this to be the exception rather than the rule, but it is something that has to be dealt with in a freelance writing career. Thanks for the feedback.
they are not a scam and they actually pay twice a week to your paypal account...you are a contractor so you are responsible for your taxes.....but the pay relative to the amount of work and research you put in is NILL, inconsistent editing and mind numbing titles...BUT...in its defense...it is good if you want to make extra cash.anything more than that, you're better off just signing up with a temp agency.
Fantastically helpful! Just so you know - I got your article off a search engine, not through hub pages which hopefully means you're getting very broad coverage. Thanks again. This one was great. Just what I needed.
Don't know where you got your info that in Iowa you can live comfortably on $18K a year. Too funny.
Lived in Iowa for over twenty years. As long as you don't get into debt, you can live comfortably. Farmer's markets, a deep freezer for buying a whole cow or pig, and renting a farm house with multiple rooms for $300 or less is easy around small towns. If you want to live in luxury apartments in Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, or Des Moines you need more, but I grew up without need in a family of five that didn't clear 30k, and I lived like a king after college on 20k in CR. It's very doable, and plenty of people around here are getting by just fine on minimum wage, which adds up to even less.
Well I really don’t know where to start. I write articles for Associated Content, Seed and did write for Demand Media. I started about a year ago for Demand and recently have gotten a lot of flack from them including a letter nothing like yours. It seems after doing a vast amount of articles for them and having fairly good responses and only 7 rejections in one year’s time, I have been sent a letter stating they do not require my services anymore. That is because I had trouble with one particular editor and wrote two grievance letters stating so. Needless to say I was scolded and told I would be put on limited account status while they did a review, however the review seemed to be unfair because after over a month time they have decided to let me go as a writer citing no specific issues just that they have decided that I am not right for their site. I was allowed to finish my work and all of them was processed without rewrites, as about 80% of my total work for them. I have learned something very valuable about this whole situation if you write for DS don’t send in a grievance you will get black-balled.
I have been trying to reach Mr. Rosenblatt about the situation because I really loved writing for DS but my emails have not been responded to so I have decided to leave information about the incident on the net see any one of the various sites I work for and type in my name and demand studios rejection.
I am a featured health and wellness writer for Associated Content and make very good money for both Associated Content, Constant Content and Seed.com.
Thanks for the hub. I have been making around $20 an hour with Constant Content and Content Current but needed to find more work so started looking into Demand Studios. Thanks for giving a guide price - it seems reasonable as I am just starting out. Thanks again.
Your article was very helpful. Just a note, you used the wrong form of "do" in the 5th section, 3rd paragraph.
I have worked for DS for a little over a month and grossed over $400. You write and article, and they pay you. It's not that hard if you follow their biblical proportion of guidelines. I love writing for DS and look forward to coming home from my 9 to 5 just to write each day.
Thanks Demand Studios!!! =)
Hey, great article! I was going to look into Demand Studios, so thank you. Cheers and best of luck.
I write for Demand Studios and while they don't pay much the work is pretty easy. There is a lot of duplication (so you can write the same assignment over and over again) but they pay promptly.
Thanks for the insightful hub. I write for Demand and I love it. Obviously that means I'm not a "real" writer according to a lot of people.
In my opinion, "real writers" don't write for places like DS. They self-create and publish. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
People just like to complain. I'll take the $30+ an hour job any day.
Thanks for putting my Demand Studios scam fears to rest. I found another article dealing with this on www.demandstudiosreview.com and they said it was legit as well. As a result I applied and got accepted! So thank you, I really owe you for this. Thanks.
They are not a scam in the sense that they do pay HOWEVER, the real problem with Demand Studios is that they are clogging the internet with useless fluff content based on their keyword research. I can't tell you how many times I've researched a topic only to find the top results are poorly written pieces from ehow.
I am about 6 weeks and 20 articles into my DS career. I have not worked for any similar sites mentioned here, but I will check them out.
I have 34+ years experience as a professional technical writer. My last job was at $60 an hour, so writing for DS is, in a financial sense, like being dragged naked over broken glass.
I find that I am spending 1-2 hours per article, and also punting articles about 20% of the time because I can't reconcile the scope or level of detail or whatever with the titles.
I also spend 15 minutes to a half hour researching references and content and lose 25% of the titles there due to lack of "legal" refs. I work very hard on these - harder than most of my contract writing jobs - and I have never been able to do more than 2 a day without becoming a quivering wreck.
So perhaps I'm corrupted by easy money in Silicon Valley, but I can't get the research time reined in or stop the blowing-off of screwball titles.
Having said that, I have had no significant problems writing to their style or standards, nor have I had editor issues. But I am working for $3-$4 dollars an hour there, not $20. And certainly not $60.
FYI, tech writing jobs are only about 10-20% writing, and 50% troubleshooting/installing/supporting software, 30% going to meetings, 10-20% admin, etc. I love to write DS articles because it is WRITING not administrivia.
Great article. Demand is what you make of it. I wrote a hub, too...
I have just started writing for them, and pending my first payment, I think they're great. It's a great opportunity to live abroad and earn American money.
I just started writing for them in october. it is not a scam! not to mention they pay twice per week through paypal. even though it is my first few articles, i know that i may turn this into a full time gig by the spring. the forum does have a lot of negative comments on them, but i do find many supportive writers and editors alike. they are warm and friendly. i like this gig so far. i like looking in my paypal acct. and seeing money added every week.
They are garbage. Paying to your PayPal account means you lose 3 percent on each transaction. Typical useless Internet company.
Hi Brian,
That's fine if you don't like them, but you need to do your research. Demand Studios pays the 3% fee to PayPal (as many online writing companies do), not the freelancer. If you make $150 writing for Demand Studios, you get exactly $150 in your PayPal account, not $150 minus commissions. They're not right for everyone, but I'm making a full time income from them so they can't be completely worthless, IMO.
I was looking into whether or not Demand Studios was a scam and this article convinced me that it was not. Thank you!
Great Hub! I'm really glad I came across this hun as I just recently submitted a writer application to Demand Studios. If the pay is as good as you say, I'll do just fine. I'm just trying to supplement my income anyway as I have a full-time job. Thanks agina for a great hub!
Hello Brian,
I have been writing for Demand for about a month or two, but not many articles. I read your comment about Demand Studios paying the 3% Paypal fee (something that I have had trouble finding online). Two questions (if you have the time)
1) Where on DemandStudios.COM can I find a reference to the fact that they pay 3%? The closest I have seen is http://www.demandstudios.com/Public.mvc/Faq , under "How and when does Demand Media Studios pay?". It says "There is currently no charge to sign up for a personal, non-premium PayPal account." This would be great news. I believed that I was not being charged the 3% b/c I had a personal account and had not had DemandStudios pay me so much as to be 'flagged' by Paypal.
2) You also mentioned that many other online companies pay the processing fee. Do you have any sort of references for some of these other companies or at least a list that you know of? I have been looking beyond DemandStudios in hopes of diversifying my portfolio.
Thanks in advance either way.
Just wanted to add my experience to the mix. I recently applied to Demand based on the strength of reviews like this. Unfortunately, once I got accepted, I was in for a rude awakening.
When I started reading their extensive guidelines and realized how rigid and exacting their format is, I decided to make sure there were enough assignments available to justify so many hours spent learning their formula. To my surprise, when I searched the assignments, the only ones returned to me were about very technical, hands-on topics, subjects that would probably appeal to tradesmen like mechanics, carpenters, and electricians. These are subjects I know nothing about! I narrowed the search parameters but still found only titles pertaining to very specialized blue-collar skills. These articles also paid very poorly, I might add.
Mystified, I looked through the FAQs and finally ended up at the forums in search of some answers. As I found out at the forums, all newcomers to Demand are required to write a bunch of these very technical, low-paying articles--presumably the articles that no one else wants--before they're permitted to even vie for assignments in other categories.
To me, this was ridiculous! The low starting pay wouldn't have been so bad if I was writing in a field I had some knowledge about. I knew articles about subjects I was familiar with wouldn't take very much time to write and would require minimal research. But I was being asked to write about subjects I didn't have ANY frame of reference for AND get paid crumbs for it...and all this after first investing a lot of time to learn a very specific, detailed article format. I did some quick calculations and realized I could easily spend upwards of fifty hours working for peanuts. Sorry, but I can't afford that. Time is money, and that time would be better spent looking for freelance work that pays a living wage.
I don't think Demand Studios is a scam, but I wanted to alert newbies that unless you're interested in one of the technical trades and/or work with your hands a lot, you might find it quite hard to break in as a writer there. You have to do A LOT of drudge work before you're allowed to write what you know and love for decent pay. For me, it wasn't worth the wait.
Yeah, unfortunately it seems like a lot has changed in the past 6 months especially, but a lot since I wrote this review. Demand Studios is definitely much less appealing then before, though I'm hoping it's an ebb before another wave as this type of roller coaster pattern has happened before, but we'll see. That's for your take on it.
Do you always write with a cigar between the knuckles?
Hi Daniel,
I only wish I was that cool...but I do enjoy my cigars.
I get the impression from what I'm reading here that the majority of people are American (or at the very least in Western countries).
Having lived in many rich and poor countries, I can very much see how even with the rewrites and edits sometimes expected that those with an acceptable level of English could earn more than the average pay for their fellow countrymen.
I was doing some research on the company that manufacturers Apple's famous and wildly trendy iPhone and it seems that the employees in that factory get paid somewhere around the $1-$1.50 an hour mark. I know these would be generally unskilled labourers, however how much more would say, a recent university graduate need to make to cover their living costs and get some experience? $15 an article starts to sound like a good deal.
Same goes for those in Eastern Europe, Latin America, etc.
It's easy to get on our high horse about the ethics of all of this, and there are definitely many pros and cons. But our society, like it or not is built on the cheap labour of other countries. People buy iPods, Nikes, Apparel from Walmart, etc in their millions and spare no thought as to where it was made and the general welfare of the people making it. Yes, there are a few people who are complaining about it, but the masses in general don't seem to care less.
If we had to push all these jobs to the United States or other developed countries, I feel we couldn't be the consumer society we are today.
I'm not saying whether or not this is a good thing or not. I have my own opinions about this, but that isn't the point of this post.
The point is, I don't think you can be living in a Western country and doing 'well' from a company like Demand. And why should you? When there are hoardes of well spoken English speaking people in countries where the average income is a fraction of what it is in the United States where earning US$15 a day would be a generous income based on the cost of living there.
Good article. I write for DS Been doing it for about 6 months. I make $1,500 to 2000 a month. don't know where they get $30 an hour though. Takes about 2 hours or less to find good resources for the article then write and submit it. Not to mention trying to find articles to write.
I am an expert on immunology and MS etc. Yet because I don't have a medical liscence I can't write for Life Strong on the DS site. That is the good bucks. Yet I see medical people and their articles there that I know and can prove are wrong.
But once you know the quirks of the company it's pretty good.
Darcdin,
I just recently began writing for DS after writing for many other content sites like Textbroker and TheContentAuthority. Unfortunately, while the pay on DS is outstanding for one article in comparison to sites like TheContentAuthority, I have yet to find an article that I could write, since most articles are so technically out there that even when I google them I can't find information (mechanical questions, engine questions, etc.) The closest thing to doable I could find was "How to Use Car Windows in A House". On top of this, I only see orders from E-How.com. Does this mean they only have orders from Ehow or did they just limit my available orders?
I am just very curious as to how you're making that much a month from them, as I would love to figure out how to do this, as freelance writing accounts for half of my monthly income. It seems as if I accept an article, it would take hours and hours of research required outside of my own home just to write a $15 article. I write regularly on business, marketing, insurance, finance, and relationships, and if I search for these topics on DS, the amount of orders that have nothing to do with 'culture and society' for instance, is crazy!
I appreciate any advice you have, and also if you know of any other sites that pay similarly but don't have such outlandish orders.
Thank you so much for the information. I wanted to know more about Demand Media before signing up. I just heard about it today and wanted to make sure it was legit.
I do not see how anyone can call DS a scam. A lot of people now days can not get any work at all. And a lot of smart people too. If you are good with words and can write something another person is willing to pay for, Demand studios is a good opportunity to earn some money. And if you do not like the pay, start your own blog or content writing service and see if somoene is willing to pay more. Therse guys are not charity, thay need to make money too, and that is why thay pay, what they pay.
Thanks. You've given me new hope. I just hope you're not full of crap, or blowing smoke.
Jim
I currently write for them too and the titles are hard to find because you can't sort by category as you will find automotive titles in the health and fitness category....that just adds more time searching through the many useless titles - many of them have been sitting there for who knows how long because they either do not make enough sense or you have to be an actual expert in a specific field. I have made good money from them but I have noticed many changes they are making may just end up hurting them in the long-run....IMO - great hub!
Great article! Sounds like most of these people just need a place to vent.
Cynthia G.
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Correction: Demand Media or Studios Pays not $15 - 25 an hour, but per hours. If you take 10 hours to write an article you will not receive $150 -250 dollars --- you will get $15 or 20, as the cast may be. This is a big difference from making $15 or even 10.00 an hour. I don't know why people call it an hourly rate, because it's not. Yes some people can write these article in and hour, but that is still $15.00 whether it's an hour of 40 hours.
Not to be a jerk, but if it takes you 10 hours to write a Demand Studios level article, you probably shouldn't be a freelance writer. There's no reason it should ever take more than an hour for a writer to write these very basic formatted 400 word articles, and many writers I know can easily write 2 articles an hour, and that moves up to 3 or 4 with voice recognition software.
I agree, Jerry. It always amazed me that Helium writers were prepared to spend hours researching a subject to produce an article for which they were paid pennies. Compared to that, Demand Studios pays well - but even then, it's not worth taking hours over it. If you don't know enough about the topic to write the article within an hour, don't bother!
I always used to think it wasn't worth writing for DS - why sell them an article for $20, when my Hubs have averaged well over that in the last 3 years? However, as we know, the landscape here has changed so it remains to be seen whether that will continue.
Thanks for all of the terrific information. This article came up on the first page of my Google search for Demand Studios.
I am looking to start doing some freelance writing and had heard about Demand Studios. I think I am going to head over there and sign-up. Thanks for the great article with honest insight.
thevoice 23 months ago
well informed hub thanks